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Sunday, 11 October 2009 10:38

What a strange game. Get beat clearly in every statistic that matters but win a game going away. If ever there was a text book case for the importance of defensive scores and special teams scores in a game, this was it.

The one most important point that comes out of this game is the defensive line depth is something that we have not seen arguably since the days of coach Hayes. To be down our best run stuffing lineman, Dex Larimore, but hold the nations #14 rushing attack to 118 yards shows just how deep we are. The pass rush looked like something straight out of the NFL. 6 sacks in one game versus an offensive line that had given up 2 total in its first 5 games is the most revealing stat of the game. It is hard to single out an individual for praise. I know one thing that stood out to me was having Williams and Gibson on the field at the same time. In obvious passing situations that would be part of the scheme. Heyward is a first rounder. The last few weeks Gibson has played like a first day pick at least. But Nate Williams is the best pass rusher on the roster. I would put Heyward and either Worthington or Rose inside with Gibson and Williams on any obvioous passing down. All are relentless enough that teams can't decide to try and run on the smaller lineup.

I thought Spitler was once again had a very strong performance but Homan is the one playing really well. Coleman is playing all-american first team caliber football. Beyond the interception he has a great game. His problem is he is a senior at the same time that Eric Berry is senior and Taylor Mays is out there. Anderson Russell comes on with another good football game. That is 2 in a row. We have not seen that from him in some time. I think that bodes well for the future. His tackle on the kickoff that pinned Wisky inside their 5 was a turning point in the game. Jermal Hines had another good game. The interception was the icing on the cake. He has been more involved the last 2 weeks. More around the ball like he was last year.

My only criticism of the defense is playing so soft in the secondary behind such a fierce pass rush. We hurt ourselves with that a couple of times. Gave up big plays several times when the rush did not get there because we gave up so much room. Maybe you give that to Aurelius Benn but I didn't see a receiver for Wisky that we needed to make sure we got a lot of tacklers around, and needed to make sure they didn't get behind us.

Offense goes back to one thing. Pryor is making us crazy. Last week I thought maybe he turned the corner. I would argue that it was his best all-around performance. He comes back this week with his worst at least since Penn State of last year. He was late all game and when he wasn't he was high. He is not executing properly. Think about how often bad balls from Pryor are high. That is mechanics. He is releasing the ball at its highest point, when the velocity is at its highest. If he does not get off his back foot and transfer his weight onto his front foot he is not going to get over top of the ball and force it down. The point will be high and the pass will sail. He is late on his reads which makes him late on the throw. It is all in his head. We are looking at a stretch where we will outathlete Purdue, Minnesota and New Mexico. Two of those are at home. First, I would sit him for a week. In that week I would convince him that he is going to do it my way, he is going to sit, or throw it at him that he could move if he wanted to. He is not getting it done at the quarterback position. You want to play in the Show, son? You want to be a millionaire? It will be at a position that needs elite athleticism like wide receiver. At quarterback I need a thinking man. Sleep on it and get back to me.I would only be half trying to shock him. If he did not answer on the spot that he did not need to sleep in it, that he wanted to be a quarterback, I would think he had lost his confidence and given up on being a quarterback. He was overwhelmed and not up to the challenge of being an elite quarterback.

I have some concerns about how Pryor is being coached. I am not yet ready to say the staff is not up to the job of teaching him. I am saying this unique talent, who continues to make the same mistakes, who continues to have poor execution and poor mechanics, who cannot find consistency to save his life, is not getting the discipline that would make him find those important pieces of the puzzle.



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written by Araris Valerian, October 11, 2009
Duane,

What is your opinion on our QB coach? Do you believe that Tressel should have went with a proven coach TP. I have no idea why we selected Nick siliano
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written by OSUProf, October 11, 2009
I know it's beating a dead horse, but a video guy as QB coach? A few years ago, JT wanted to bring in Mike Tomczak but he opted for another year in Pittsburg. He's a sports agent now and probably not available but someone with that experience could help TP tremendously, I would think. JT, after all, was hardly a nationally known QB in his day. And 'nuf said about the video guy!
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written by Derek foster, October 11, 2009
Duane,

I know Bryant browning has gotten a lot of flack over the years, but how bad was Josh oglesby who was a big time target of the buckeyes. Also, have you kept track of how Anthony Davis from rutgers and some of the other recent OL misses have panned out?
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written by Fifty, October 11, 2009
Russell has always played well on special teams, it is at safety where he sometimes struggles. Worthington also played very well.
Was at the game and Dexter does not look anywhere close to getting back on the field, he’s struggling to walk! Doesn’t look like half the athlete he is!
On offense keep in mind we only had 8 drives. The last drive in the first half and the first in the 2nd were really the only two good drives. Don’t know if wisky’s D played great or the offense struggled, probably a little of both, but TP didn’t get a lot of opportunities compared to a normal game. Agree with you on the throwing mechanics, but he had a couple of great runs: the option in the first half where he kept it and the first possession in the 2nd half where Lamar got us bad field position and he reversed fields to get us to the 40. He’s definitely a QB, he’s made some great throws (last week) he just isn’t throwing consistently! He also seems to regress later in the game, I think his concentration declines when his body gets tired, just like a swimmer who has worse form at the end of a long swim.
Thoughts on the Wisconsin Game...
written by dbuckeye44, October 11, 2009
I respect your right to have your opinion Duane but believe that you are being too critical of TP at this stage in his career. I believe that he is presently realizing that this is going to be tougher than he thought and that his self-confidence is being tested. However, Troy Smith and Vince Young were much the same at this stage in their careers. My opinion is that he will continue to grow and that next year you will see great improvement. Furthermore I look for him to stay four and win the Heisman in his senior year.
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written by Fifty, October 11, 2009
Good Point Derek, although Josh Jankins is starting for wvu and I think we had a Ohio OL that we didn’t offer who is starting for 2-4 florida state.

On the O-line, I saw both Adams and Hall miss badly and let a DE have a clean run at TP

Anyone else enjoy the meltdown in the iowa/mich game? I knew when they let shoelaces in the game in a must throw situation it wasn’t going to end well. But I love how FT tried to run out on the field and they had to grab him. I’m guessing there was a lot of tension on the trip back to ann arbor!
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written by Buckeye Bob, October 11, 2009
One reason for limited offensive production yesterday was the three non-offensive TDs that kept the offense on the sidelines and the defense on the field. Lighten up on Pryor - he's still just a sophomore (how good was Troy Smith as a sophomore) - and he never claimed to be Superman, although everyone else seems to think he is. Maybe he had a touch of the flu, too. Who knows? The next three weeks will be good tuneups, opportunities to get out the kinks, and for Pryor to work on his mechanics and decision-making. This time next year if he's making the same blunders, then we can be critical.
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written by csmittybuck, October 11, 2009
Duane,

I disagree with you on your assessment of Pryor and being at a point where he needs to sit and think about whether he really wants to be a QB or not. This makes it sound like you think it is a lack of effort from TP, which, according to all reports, is not the issue.

I think that the issue at this point is that he is thinking too much and not just letting his natural talent take over. It makes him hesitant. What did he say recently - he concentrates on not turning the ball over? Sounds like Tressel in his ear. Well that is like concentrating on not getting hurt - you inevitably get hurt. He is too afraid to turn the ball over, so he doesn't make plays.

The coaches need to realize he won't turn into a QB over night. Tolzein is not a very good QB, but the one pass he threw well was the crossing route. THrew probably 20 that game. Where was that from us? Watch Boise State, Florida, Cincinnati, they all use a ton of crossing routes and use their speed to their advantage. A 5 yard catch turns into 15. For a 6'6'' QB, a crossing route is the easiest to throw. I think the reason Tressel won't do this is b/c he rates the crossing pass as "risky" on whatever risk scale he uses that I have read about.

I also suggest you go back and listen to interviews of Mack Brown during the year of Vince Young's Heisman candidacy? He talked a lot about how VY was ready to give up and just couldn't get the offense down, and then the coaches simplified things and told him to stop worrying about everything else, just go play football and be an athlete. He did, and the rest is history.

I think Pryor needs that. He still has 2 1/2 years to become a pocket QB, but first he needs to become a spread offense QB. I think if you ask TP right now if he would rather be a pro QB or win, he would say win. He is a competitior and wants to be great. It isn't for a lack of effort that Pryor is struggling.
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written by wolfbuddy, October 11, 2009
I think Pryor would flourish better under the type of program Nick Saban runs. Saban wouldn't accept mediocrity and would knock Pryor down to build him back up. Show tough love. These elite talents sometimes need that.

I would hate for Terrelle to become the next Juice Williams...or Steve Bellisari, just because our staff doesn't know how to get his attention.
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written by iu fan, October 11, 2009
Take off the S & G glasses. If your team was playing the Bucks would you be the least bit worried about Pryor or this offense? We're lucky USC is the only elite team we'll face this year. Whether it's our offensive scheme or QB coaching, we're not getting it done. And I'm sick of the constant comparisons to Vince Young and Troy Smith, as if there have only been two dual-threat quarterbacks in college football history. I don't think it's realistic to expect Pryor to be playing at a Heisman level, but youth is not an excuse for the current level of play.



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written by Duane Long, October 11, 2009
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written by csmittybuck,
October 11, 2009

Duane, I disagree with you on your assessment of Pryor and being at a point where he needs to sit and think about whether he really wants to be a QB or not. This makes it sound like you think it is a lack of effort from TP, which, according to all reports, is not the issue. I think that the issue at this point is that he is thinking too much and not just letting his natural talent take over. It makes him hesitant. What did he say recently - he concentrates on not turning the ball over? Sounds like Tressel in his ear. Well that is like concentrating on not getting hurt - you inevitably get hurt. He is too afraid to turn the ball over, so he doesn't make plays.


Hold the phone. I am one of Pryors biggest supporters. Read recent blogs to see that. His work ethic is unquestioned. I am saying he is doing the same bad things over and over again. You have to do something to get his attention. Settle down and execute. Do whatever you have to do to make him do that. He is being hard headed or he is not focused. It is in the best interest of the team and Pryor to get his attention.
The only other reason for this is he is not being coached properly but I think the jury is still out on the quarterback coach. We cannot rate him on his work 6 games into his first season as QB coach and with a sophmore quarterback.
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written by Duane Long, October 11, 2009
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written by Derek foster, October 11, 2009
Duane,

I know Bryant browning has gotten a lot of flack over the years, but how bad was Josh oglesby who was a big time target of the buckeyes. Also, have you kept track of how Anthony Davis from rutgers and some of the other recent OL misses have panned out?


Davis is a beast.
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written by Duane Long, October 11, 2009
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written by Araris Valerian, October 11, 2009
Duane,

What is your opinion on our QB coach? Do you believe that Tressel should have went with a proven coach TP. I have no idea why we selected Nick siliano



I think it is too early to say. He is only 6 games into his first season and with a sophmore quarterback. That said, I would have went out and got a proven guy. Absolutely. Why not a guy like Walt Harris. We don't go out and get the best coach available. We go out and get the best coach that JT knows.
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written by RipsManifesto, October 11, 2009
When I watch Pryor play at this point, I don't see a poised, confident QB. I see a kid has just lost his confidence, and is trying so hard to be perfect that he's terrible. He's clearly frustrated, be it with himself, the offense, the coaches, whoever. Either he isn't taking to heart what the coaches are telling him, or the coaches are telling him the right things. Because we're now past game 6 of the season, the 19th(?) game in his career, and it honestly at best looks just as bad as game 1.
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written by RipsManifesto, October 11, 2009
Either he isn't taking to heart what the coaches are telling him, or the coaches are telling him the right things.


Sorry, that should read "the coaches aren't telling him the right things."
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written by Zonabuck, October 11, 2009
Well done Duane. Once again, we are going back to the Dr. Saturday article with the execution. It is amazing to watch for improvement on one little thing week to week - selling the fake on the zone read - and week after week we see zero change. That is not something the staff doesn't see, and it is not something they would put up with with any other QB. That confirms some of my worst fears - that he is being treated like a Superstar and not like a developing QB. I'm waiting for the reports to come out telling us he has a leather recliner in front of his locker, or that he has a personal chef and doesn't eat at training tables with the rest of the team. If they are treating him like a prima donna, then it is not doing him, the staff, or his teammates any good.

I know that we have been told that his work ethic is solid, but I think we would see far more discipline if that was the case. "Coach - how do I get better" "TP - it's all in the execution. The details. Be precise in your execution and the game will come much easier to you. Half-ass it on game day and you will tip off the defense and make the game harder for your teammates". I would challenge the work ethic (Not saying he's lazy, but that we are being spun) and the notion that he is working as hard as everyone else. Some have brought up that he doesn't seem like one of the guys - no one there to help him up, and Barry Bonds-like congratulations when he makes a play.
Too many hands on TP??
written by Kasino, October 11, 2009
We have a new OC (not in title but in game planning) and new QB coach (who's never been a QB coach) and a kid who has mechanics issues, Not too mention the real OC still making input. NOT a great combo for a kid looking for leadership. It might also be too many hands in TP's fire from the staff. Kind of hard to blame TP when you look at the big picture. Our offense is influx so perhaps our QB is effected by that!?!

I expect a roller coaster ride for TP this season. He's going to go off on some team and look like crap the next week.
On Pryor
written by Pula, October 11, 2009
I understand why everyone is frustrated with Pryor. He makes a spectacular throw or run and then cannot complete a basic pass. Additionally, we are seeing more mental mistakes from Pryor. The mistakes can be corrected. It is all mental and he showed last year he can protect the football.

I submit that Pryor should get a pass on last nights game. 2 of the past 3 games have dictated (Illinois, Wisconsin) have been dictated by unusual circumstances. The downpour against Illinois ensured that OSU would not be throwing the ball. The 3 scores coming from the defense and special teams meant that OSU would not have as many offensive possessions. Wisconsin is also a ball control team. That meant the offense spent a substantial amount of time on the bench. How does any offense get into a a rhythm?

There were many bad possessions in the first half and mistakes by Pryor, but there were two series that gave me hope. Towards the end of the half after Wisconsin took the lead, OSU needed a score. It was Pryor's arm that allowed us to get the ball into the end zone. It is a different ball game if OSU goes into the half down by 3. I also think that JT probably does not continue to be as aggressive if the offense didn't show life.

The other important drive was in the early part of the 4th quarter. After two atrocious running plays, Pryor scrambles for a first down. The clock continues to move, providing valuable rest for the defense. Although the drive stalled in the red zone, that field goal was important because OSU was now up by 3 scores. Admittedly, Pryor did make a weird decision when he made a lame throwing attempt that was called ground, but the fact the play didn't work was not Pryor's fault. The Wisconsin player did a great job staying with Pryor and made the play. That will happen.

I just did not see enough offensive possessions to adequately judge. My grade for the offense is incomplete. Although maybe not the performance we were all hoping for, there is enough there for us to continue to hope.
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written by Zonabuck, October 11, 2009
Is Pryor having fun?
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written by O-State, October 11, 2009
Wow, so after praising him all this time, you're ready to give up on the coaches after 1 bad game in which the offense only had the ball for a quarter?

And benching Pryor is a recipe for an upset and just plain ridiculous. That's a punishment, not a teaching lesson. He puts in the work and he is our best QB. He deserves to play. Only way he gets better is if he plays.
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written by marksgforce, October 11, 2009
I was out of town and got home for the start of the third quarter so first time I saw Pryor was with a little more than a minute to go before 4th quarter.

Was the offense fumbling and punting throughout the 3rd quarter? Nope. Our defense let Wisconsin hold the ball almost 11 minutes.

Now when you're scoring TDS it's no big biggie. But I'm not sure many quarterbacks would find a rhythm after an hour break in play time.
What csmittybuck said...
written by BuckAlum99, October 11, 2009
"What did he say recently - he concentrates on not turning the ball over? Sounds like Tressel in his ear. Well that is like concentrating on not getting hurt - you inevitably get hurt."

Reading that, it seems this year, Pryor runs like he wants to avoid getting hurt on runs. Unlike last year, when he delivered blows to would-be tacklers. Wonder if someone is in his ear telling him to avoid delivering blows because they do not want to see him injured.
Troy Smith or Juice Williams?
written by DDG, October 11, 2009
Heisman trohpy or benched mid-way through senior year? What do you see in Pryor?
work in progress
written by vickvega, October 12, 2009
if everyone takes a breather here and really look what's going on here...we will understand. It has been obvious since the USC game that our offense has been going through some changes....play calling, offensive line personnel, brandon saine playing more. Everyone has complained about the play calling since The florida debacle and now that it is changing, everyone still wants to complain about JT and TP. There is going to be an adjustment period implementing change...it doesn't happen the next game or two... with all the youngsters we have on this team we should be happy that we still have a chance a national title...honestly speaking...the talent of virginia tech, florida, or alabama is better this year...we are young in every position except safety and d-line so some growing pains are going to happen...however since we are making changes now........if this goes on next year...then I will be the first one to complain
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written by Duane Long, October 12, 2009
Troy Smith or Juice Williams?
written by DDG, October 11, 2009
Heisman trohpy or benched mid-way through senior year? What do you see in Pryor?


I think Heisman candidate next year. He just needs to calm the hell down and execute.
Use the next 3 games to let TP establish himself
written by Freaky_Deaky, October 12, 2009
Realistically, OSU could win the next three games using a walk on QB, prividing their defense is playing the way it has. So, I say use the next three games to let TP work out the kinks and gain some confidence, then we can judge.
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written by Loganbuck, October 12, 2009
During the radio broadcast, Jim Lachey made a point of bringing up how Wisconsin was focusing on taking away Dane Sanzenbacher. When you think about it, he is the only upper classmen in the receiving corps. So when Pryor has to read the defense, the receivers are making adjustments as well. Posey, Carter, and Thomas are inexperienced, and Ray Small is notoriously bad at route running. Are the rest of the receivers and Pryor on the same page? Are the receivers where they belong?
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written by H-back, October 12, 2009
I'm one of Pryor's biggest supporters, but if this kid doesn't start fixing those sailing passes, he's going to get Posey or Sanzenbacher killed out there.

Having said that, I don't agree with sitting him. He will have rough games every now and then. All QB's do. Pryor isn't the first and won't be the last OSU QB that looks ordinary from time to time. As OSU fans, we should just be happy this happened at home against a team our defense could outscore by themselves instead of on the road and/or against an opponent who would have taken advantage of the miscues.

The Rod sat Tate the other night and while he may have been trying to prove a point, the decision also cost him the ball game. OSU isn't going to be in many shootouts with the defense they have, so they don't need to take the desperate measures that Rich has to in order to 'maybe' improve the play of the QB.
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written by Zonabuck, October 12, 2009
DickRod might get credit for sitting Tate, but my guess is he had trouble figuring out where he was after the backside hit to end Tate's last possession. He captured lightning in a bottle on Denard's first possession, and likely rolled the dice on the 2nd. But I do think Tate was seeing stars.
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written by iconoclast9, October 12, 2009
The Defense was stellar, the offense mostly awful.

Pryor is stinking it up a lot but unlike past struggling OSU quarter backs ( Rod Gerald, Herbstreit etc) he gets a pass from most fans and I'm not sure why - because he is the only one so far to get that kind of slack. Nobody was blaming the coaches for these other guys other than for playing them.

The he's only a sophomore thing bothers me too. He's played enough he should be better than he is right now. Anyway, bye bye multiple Heismans, bye bye NFL career ( at least as a QB).

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