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Written by Duane Long   
Monday, 21 September 2009 12:29

Someone on Bucknuts asked whether this is the best defense since the 2002 defense. I think it is too early to make that determination but there is one thing they have in common. Tough veteran defensive linemen. I would put the number of reps that Worthington, Denlinger, Larimore and Heyward up against any other front in college football. You have fully grown men out there with a boatload of weightroom reps. They have made it very easy for the rest of the pups on defense to find their way around.

I think we need a primer as we are in an odd man front defense so much of the time.
The difference in an odd man front and a 3-4 is there are still 4 down linemen on the field. It is where they line up that matters. You want that weakside end, in the case of our defense that is more often than not Thad Gibson, uncovered. You are trying to create a situation where he is out there able to run free and clear and not have a 330 lb tackle lined up over him. We still have 2 tackles and 2 ends on the field but the positioning is different than a 4-3.
We are moving one of the tackles, Worthington most of the time, out over the left tackle rather than over the guard. It occupies the left tackle and allows Gibson some room to attack without having to deal with a guy far too big for him. At the same time moving the tackle over occupies space. There is a big gap if the edge player is rushing all the time and the tackle is still lined up on the guard. I think the key to it is having a big athletic base/5-technique player like Heyward on the strong side. He is big and strong enough to set the edge and hold the point, but athletic enough to rush the passer and cause problems for the running game.
Speaking of Heward,
he continues to show himself to be a sure NFL player. The versatility is going to have the NFL drooling. He proved early in his freshman year that he could play the strong side/base end in a 4-3. Last year and this year he showed he can play the 5-technique, which is the strong side DE spot in a 3-man front. He played weak side in the Toledo game. His best position may be as a 3-technique DT. That kind of versatility is going to make him very valuable to NFL personnel men. He is the kind of player a Bill Belichick would covet.


We were talking about Rolle hanging on trying to bring down a tight end in Saturdays game. That is the downside. He is going to give up size. So far it has not been a problem. He is recognizing and attacking before linemen can engage him. He is as fast as a safety. There is an engagement zone. When we diagram plays we show the lineman making contact at a perfect point. Every step beyond that point makes that block less and less likely to be effective. He is beyond the "engagement zone", before they can get there. As long as he keeps doing that I can handle him having a hard time trying to corral a tight end down the field.
That is not going to happen very often.

He would not be ideal for the Star since he is not a great coverman. On obvious downs he is not the best choice for the Star but as an every down player he could an the position. That would allow us to play two bigger LBs most downs.

That he is not big enough does not matter. Can he do the job? A player who fits the profile, the template, what have you, of any given position stands a better chance of being able to do the job. That is the point of recruiting. It is the only reason combines even exist. In the end it comes down to doing the job. Rolle is doing it.


I have been considering Spitlers role in the defense. I can't recall a big play out of him. In his defense, I am still waiting on a play where he really messed up too. Maybe that is his role in the defense. Rolle and Homan are all over the place. They seem to have carte blanch to roam. Maybe that is what the coaches are counting on. Having one kid out there that is going to find the hole in the defense and sit it in. Maybe Spitler has made big plays in the fact that he was in the right place at the right time to keep our opponents from making a big play.

Still a little nervous about our secondary. I like what I see out of Torrence as a tackler but I need to see him in coverage before I am going to relax. I saw Johnson on the field at safety and that makes me relax ever so slightly. I projected Hines to linebacker coming out of high school and I still don't like him on the ball in the last third of the field. The sooner he is back to the Star, more a linebacker position, the happier I will be.



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written by Bobby Haines, September 21, 2009
I am still waiting for you to comment on whether you think JT has Keith Wells and Conner Smith in his Doghouse as they have had no PT so far.
Whats going on with those two?
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written by wolfbuddy, September 21, 2009
Keith Wells is an interesting case. The guy passes the look test better than anyone else on the team but doesn't seem to get any reps. I know he was in the dog house over grades this spring but so were Small and Rose and they're playing.

Conner Smith is in the "can't play" house
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written by Zonabuck, September 21, 2009
If Connor Smith is in the doghouse, then that just buries him further on the depth chart. From most of what we have read ever since the Army AA game, he has a long way to go before he ever sees the field. Not trying to jump on the kid, but it sounds as if he had a mountain to climb when he got here, and he's spent his time eating Twinkies instead of training for mountain climbing.

With Wells, there was a comment made near the end of the summer that maybe he needed an attitude adjustment, perhaps along the lines of being sent home for a couple of weeks. I have only seen that comment once, but have heard very little else about him.
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written by O-State, September 21, 2009
Difference between this DL and '02 is this one is far deeper. We can play 10 DL no problem. Heyward, Gibson, Larimore, Denlinger, Worthington, Williams, Simon, Thomas, Wilson, and Goebel are all capable right now.

Duane, one play of Spitler's that jumped out was against USC. He and Rolle tracked down Stafon Johnson on a swing pass and stopped him for a 2 yard gain. Showed some nice speed and recognition on that play.
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written by Bobby Haines, September 21, 2009
That is what I was saying. On Sat. they played 12 DLs including Rose and Ingham too but no Wells.
Duane was the one who was ripping Wells all summer, and now he isnt playing.
Duane whats up?
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written by slimkid, September 21, 2009
I am still waiting for you to comment on whether you think JT has Keith Wells and Conner Smith in his Doghouse as they have had no PT so far.
Whats going on with those two?


Smith has been passed on the depth chart.
Wells is behind Gibson and N Williams at WDE.
It's that simple.
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written by Duane Long, September 21, 2009
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written by Bobby Haines, September 21, 2009
I am still waiting for you to comment on whether you think JT has Keith Wells and Conner Smith in his Doghouse as they have had no PT so far.
Whats going on with those two?


I never saw you ask me this before.
Wells was in the doghouse. No question. Whether he is still in the doghouse or got himself so buried behind some real talents who had the proper focus is the question. He was such a disappointment that there was reason to believe he was not going to be asked back. The fact that he is back says it is more likely the later that has him not seeing the field.

Smith has never been a problem child. He just has not panned out.
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written by Bobby Haines, September 22, 2009
So now that Wells is back, what are they going to do with him?
He seems to be the tweener. He says he can both with his hand in the dirt.
Does he redshirt and add depth (and weight) on the strongside as much needed, or is he asked to leave?

We continue to see a position we are terribly thin out (SSDE) and here he is, and we are NOT utilizing him? I dont understand this one at all!
Is he not the talent we thought he was?
Are he and Willie Mobley both Busts?
Isn't it too early to give up on him yet?

Or do we already know that we should rely on several kids several years younger than they are?
HAYES/MILLER/MIHALIK/ROCK/HARLEY
Can we wait that long?

We have Fellows and you said it yourself, is Baldwin playing SSDE, and how soon?

I think we have to make Wells work, especially if Heyward's stock grows any more in the draft!

FYI to the slimkid, Soloman Thomas is the third man on call at the weak side behind Thad and Nate, not Wells. Johnny Newsome would also come into that mix if he was not being redshirted. He is another hybrid LEO/OLB. Wells can play either Weak or Strong. We need him to add depth at the Strongside, as the others are not as capable as he is, and there is no other underclassmen other than Fellows, the RS Freshmen being saved;now that Mobley left, unless you yank a DT over!
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written by slimkid, September 22, 2009
FYI to the slimkid, Soloman Thomas is the third man on call at the weak side behind Thad and Nate, not Wells.


You're making my point better than I did: Wells is buried on the weak side, plain and simple.

Wells can play either Weak or Strong. We need him to add depth at the Strongside, as the others are not as capable as he is, and there is no other underclassmen other than Fellows, the RS Freshmen being saved;now that Mobley left, unless you yank a DT over!


The roster lists Wells at 6'5" 210 lbs. You think he can play SSDE at that size? Even if we assume that's not accurate and that he's 20 lbs. heaver, that still doesn't seem nearly big enough to play over a TE. But, yeah, I agree with you the problem is depth on the strong side; I just don't think finding playtime for Wells is the answer.

And it's not great mystery why he isn't seeing the field.
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written by Bobby Haines, September 22, 2009
Then what redshirt him and seoperate him from his elders, and save him some years since we didnt RS him last year?
I listened to him being interviewed. He said he did not mind playing with his hand in the dirt and he HAS DONE SO. 6-5 so he has the height and frame to put the weight on. I know for a FACT he doesn't weigh 210 by looking at him. I have no idea what he weighs, but it definitely is no 210.
If he is 230, as a RS Sophmore, and if he is disciplined; they can do wonders in the weight room and put 25 or 30 lbs of muscle on that frame at his age over night! He is a prime candidate for that.
They have the best facilities and trainers in the world there.
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written by O-State, September 22, 2009
K. Wells is definitely a lot bigger than 210. The official roster weights and heights are off on a lot of players. D. Carter and O. Johnson are listed at 6'2" even though they're both 6'4". Seeing pics of K. Wells, he's at least 240. Probably around 250.
What's the deal?
written by BuckAlum99, September 28, 2009
Hey Keith Wells and Conner Smith: Here's $100,000 worth of scholarship and you can throw it away and still keep the $100,000.00. There are a lot of Ohioans with no job. What a deal for the football players.


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