Duane: what are your thoughts of the chances that both Miller and Jones would both come to TOSU as quarterbacks?

Didn't you say once that Braxton Miller was the best QB you've EVER seen in Ohio?

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written by Bob W., October 30, 2009
Didn't you say once that Braxton Miller was the best QB you've EVER seen in Ohio?

Now he is the second best. Still a five-star kid in my eyes despite not having a good junior year. He just can't match Jones measurables but Jones can match him with arm strength and athleticism. Both are solid kids mechanically. This has nothing to do with Miller not having a great year. I want to mention that. I am not down on Miller. Not at all. Size matters in football. Look at the difference Pryor and Ben Rothlisberger make with their size. They see the field better because they are tall and they are so hard to bring down.

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written by michael mcleod, October 30, 2009
Duane: what are your thoughts of the chances that both Miller and Jones would both come to TOSU as quarterbacks?

I think it is possible because of the coaches of both schools being friends of the program but I am not counting on it. One quarterback plays at a time.

With all the smoke about Braxton Miller waiting to see how Pryor develops before potentially looking around it's great to hear we might have a second top flight QB in Ohio. Don't know if that's been the case since Troy Smith/Justin Zwick.

We really should go after both. I see more of a project in Jones personally. I feel that Miller is the QB who is more ready to come in and lead, but Jones long term may be the better QB. The good news is that Jones's dream school is OSU while Braxton still favors OSU. I can't stress enough how important it is to get both for depth. I think both are good enough athletes to get onto the field if not at QB. An injury here or a player not developing can change everything. It is so important to bring in a top flight QB every year.

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written by pula, October 30, 2009
We really should go after both. I see more of a project in Jones personally. I feel that Miller is the QB who is more ready to come in and lead, but Jones long term may be the better QB. The good news is that Jones's dream school is OSU while Braxton still favors OSU. I can't stress enough how important it is to get both for depth. I think both are good enough athletes to get onto the field if not at QB. An injury here or a player not developing can change everything. It is so important to bring in a top flight QB every year.

Always always always take the opportunity to upgrade the quarterback position. No way would I not try and get both. If one said thanks but no thanks in time for me to get back in it, I would go after Stoudt. I would put on the full court press to land 2 of them.

One advantage to Miller is release. He gets it up and out of there quickly.

Where does UC stand with some of these recruits? Brian Kelly knows where these kids reside as well. Is it too much to assume that Ohio State will have the pick of the litter if the offense remains stagnant? If I am a good QB recruit I am looking at them thinking, "Imagine what I could do in that offense." A good QB recruit brings others with him.

Tressel and the VCR repairman known as our QB coach will have each of these QBs performing below their potential if they come here. I cant stand Tressel, happy day when he is out the door, and I dont care if he is winning 85% of his games. They are all boring even in victory, and so forth.

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written by Loganbuck, October 30, 2009
Where does UC stand with some of these recruits? Brian Kelly knows where these kids reside as well. Is it too much to assume that Ohio State will have the pick of the litter if the offense remains stagnant? If I am a good QB recruit I am looking at them thinking, "Imagine what I could do in that offense." A good QB recruit brings others with him.

Excellent point. Lets keep in mind that UC beat us for a tight end, and are also in good shape with an OL that we have offered, both offensive positions that we have struggled in developing.

C'mon Duane. I love you, but your track record for quarterbacks is spotty at best. You wanna talk about not having a great junior year...Jones isn't even the full-time starter at quarterback for Glenville. Miller, like Jones, has had some injuries, but he's finishing the season on a tear. I guarantee you if he's at Glenville, he's not splitting time Christian Bryant.

This is an situation where you really need to see a kid in person. I know you don't do that, but, from what I understand from people who have watched him, Jones is as raw as can be. Anyone can look great in a 3 minute highlight film. Bill Greene has seen them both this year, and isn't nearly as high on Jones.

Offer Both !! Redshirt one of them.

If he is as good as he say he is ..... he can also be considered an 'athlete' type prospect that could play some WR.

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written by westbuck04, October 31, 2009
C'mon Duane. I love you, but your track record for quarterbacks is spotty at best. You wanna talk about not having a great junior year...Jones isn't even the full-time starter at quarterback for Glenville. Miller, like Jones, has had some injuries, but he's finishing the season on a tear. I guarantee you if he's at Glenville, he's not splitting time Christian Bryant.

This is an situation where you really need to see a kid in person. I know you don't do that, but, from what I understand from people who have watched him, Jones is as raw as can be. Anyone can look great in a 3 minute highlight film. Bill Greene has seen them both this year, and isn't nearly as high on Jones.

What is my record with quarterbacks? Look around. Who has a good record with projecting the position? There is no Quarterback U. That is because they are so hard to project. Bill can have his opinion. He is good at this. So am I. So is Mark Porter. He has seen more of Cordale Jones than anyone but Sr. Ask him. I think you will find that he agrees with me. I have seen more of Jones than the video you can see. Mark has seen at least 7 full games. That he has not always been in there has nothing to do with not playing well. Sr is trying to show a different look when he pulls him out of there. Jones has elite tools. He has tools you can't teach.

Lets talk about the tape. You were not impressed with what you saw?

Who is the tight end that UC beat OSU out for? The only one I can think of that OSU had any interest in whatsoever is Alex Smith but that doesn't count of course because OSU never offered him.

The most overrated thing is seeing players in person. Do you really believe college staffs see every recruit in person? How many times have you heard a recuit say, "they want to see more tape." The NFL, the best of the best, have someone in the stands for every future opponent?

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written by JimS, November 01, 2009
Who is the tight end that UC beat OSU out for? The only one I can think of that OSU had any interest in whatsoever is Alex Smith but that doesn't count of course because OSU never offered him.

Smith counts. Why do you think the offer did not come? They were not convinced he would change his mind. They want everyone thinking like you are on this one. We did not lose a recruit to Cincinnati head to head. James could make it a moot point but they had to go after him.

James could make it a moot point but they had to go after him.

If UC doesn't get James, they should pack away the footballs. A legacy whose father played there, from a school in their own town, while they are having their best run ever.

What is my record with quarterbacks? Look around. Who has a good record with projecting the position? There is no Quarterback U. That is because they are so hard to project. Bill can have his opinion. He is good at this. So am I. So is Mark Porter. He has seen more of Cordale Jones than anyone but Sr. Ask him. I think you will find that he agrees with me. I have seen more of Jones than the video you can see. Mark has seen at least 7 full games. That he has not always been in there has nothing to do with not playing well. Sr is trying to show a different look when he pulls him out of there. Jones has elite tools. He has tools you can't teach.

Lets talk about the tape. You were not impressed with what you saw?

Clay Belton? Chris Smith? Devante Payne? None of those guys even sniffed an OSU offer. You're still the man, but no one's perfect.

The tape is nice. Very nice, actually. He isn't in Pryor's league as a pure athlete, but he's close. Definitely a better throwing motion at the same stage. I'd love to see a full game tape before I could say what kind of passer he is at this stage. Certainly has all the tools, but there has to be a reason he still splits time with Bryant. Decision making, accuracy, poise, etc are impossible to gauge from a 4 minute highlight tape.

I still like Braxton better. His arm is better than Jones', as is his motion. And he's a better runner. Cardale would be catching his passes if he was at Glenville.

Regarding Alex Smith, I see what you're saying. I still think it's premature to count it as a UC win though (from a UC vs. OSU perspective). He won't end up at OSU but I'll be surprised if he ends up at UC too. I'd put my money on Wisky or NC right now.

Just another take on Jones. Have seen him play two complete games now (Iggy and John Marshall). Saying the obvious, but physically he is incredibly impressive. If you've ever wondered what Daunte Culpepper must have looked like at 16, go see Cordale. Talk about passing the eyeball test!

As to his athleticism, Duane, I actually saw him beat McVey to the corner for a first down. It was crazy. Never seen that before against McVey.

Throwing mechanics are nice. Now it's just about learning the mental game. Hope he has "it", because the physics are amazing. His quarterback coach, Scott Nedzwicki, is a buddy of mine. Hoping he's successful, but it seems to me that Scott's a little concerned about the overall lack of structure within the program as a learning environment. But physically, wow. Not saying he is/will be definitely better than Braxton, but the mere external appearance isn't even close.

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